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I wish someone would offer up a good understanding of what a conservitave stands for, so I could knock it down. For now, I offer mine at the risk that others will call it a 'straw man' that I knock over.
For the most part, todays conservitave would be better called asocialist. Spending most of their time trying to show what is wrong with concrete topics that the socialists have made a stand on. In the field of economics, they think that collectivism is somehow wrong, yet never stand up for the actual principles of capitalism. In the field of morality, socialists have their God that they call the State, with their Jesus being the leader. Conservitaves offer up God and Jesus.
How do they expect to win anything?
As one that loves his life, and knows what my life requires, I need to work with those that value INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY. Those that meet socialists 1/2 way or try to 'water down' the socialists evil through a diplomatic compromise, are of no use to those that understand the princilpes involved. Our greatgrandfathers would role over in their graves, if they could see the mess we are in today. I would kick them over, letting them know that it was their conservitave values that allowed this mess to happen!
When and if we know what is right, we are promoting evil when we meet it at some 1/2 way point. Public education with its socialist economic teachings, and the poster boy Obama should be all the example I need. If the principles of capitalism were useed, todays economic professors would be unemployed, and thankfull if there was a min. wage! Obama would have learned that wealth must be produced, and that its creators are the only ones that have the right to distribute it. In fact, if the principles of capitalism and individual liberty were followed, we would not have an Obama or Dumbascrap party. Look at what the conservitaves had to offer. A man over 70, Juan McCane. Who tells us about his christian values and his desire to compromise for the benifit of all. The Bible verse "Give that what is Ceasar's to Ceasar, and that what is God's to God." How could this man ever champion the cause of individual rights and political freedom?
OK, would any of you care to show me the error of my ways here? If you cannot, and you still stand up to be counted as a conservative, you are Obamas "usefull idiot"!
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Posted 06/29/09
Elysiumboy
Billericay, United Kingdom | All parties in all advanced countries seem to follow the same pattern. Two top tribes that talk different philosophies at election times, but act virtually the same when in power.
If you make an argument or oppose an issue, but do not follow up with a sensible solution, you are admitting you do not have one. And how regular does that happen? With nearly every single issue in my opinion.
They need to stop putting out pil presidents, prime ministers or even dictators (let's face it, our meddling put the most dangerous there) and start bringing the people's word to the forefront. The governments assume that they have to force rules on the people to make the world turn. It's blatant obsessive behaviour to me, but then to them it's how it should be! There's a natural assumption that if we take government rule away we are all going sit down and die without big brother.
Most of us keep in order anyway because we don't want to be criminals, but that doesn't stop them from labelling normal everyday acts a crime and either support those regulations/laws/rules with ardent belief so where's the difference? Like Ron Paul says: "This country needs a revolution." But it has to come in those rules and by the process previous governments have built. It's the only way to bring the system down. Example: HR1207! |
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Does anyone remember when the "House" forced lending companys to give loans to those that fell below the existing standards? These loans were called "NINJA" for no income, job or assetts. The Democrats believed in their sales pitch that this would give "the little guy" a chance, or at least that was what they wanted us to believe from them. As soon as these 'new' buyers entered the market, it caused the price of housing to rise. Soon, when the market leveled off, values went down. This caused a number of these houses to fall below the value that 'ninja' loans were made on, and payments were no longer made. This put more houses on the market at even lower prices, causing a further drop in prices. Many companys were then left holding the bag. I believe this is a large part of the problem that caused companys like AIG to get into real trouble. It would not surprize me if these companys went to the government with statements like "You people meddled in the market, caused this problem by forceing us to make bad investments, and now we are screwed. If you don't do something to fix this mess that YOU caused, we will go bust! At least this would explain why they were so quick with their bailouts.
Now, Tim and the boys want more power over the industry to insure this problem cannot blindside them in future.
If I am right, the root cause of the problem now wants to have further controls so that it can screw things up better and faster.
Now they advocate a partnership with private enterprize to pick up what are now called Toxic assetts. It would be intresting to learn just what part of these toxic assetts became toxic because of ninja loan laws?
In the big picture, I believe the democrats have played their hand well, cause financial problems, blame 'private enterprize' and nationalize it as a solution. Pitch in a bonus smoke screen for pennies on the dollar, painting those in private enterprize as evil.
When all banking and investment companys are nationalized, along with health care and the auto industry, what will be left to stop our elected president from becoming a total dictator?
My only answer is to find the way to unite those of us that love our life and country under the existing banner of the GOP. This would need to be done on a foundation of principles beyond any from history. We would need to start by understanding that this is a political/economic movement, as such, if you have a Bible, leave it at the door! The ONLY true rights there can be, must be based on the individual. So, no gang rights, EVER! An individual is just that, like a woman. She must have the right to her life, that includes her body and any potential life that may be in her. I don't care what you think, you have no right to make her a slave to your ideas or dogma! If you believe it is OK to make her a slave, please join the socialists, those of us that value our lives have no use for you!
If we can get together for mutual benifit, and form a uniform front against the irrationality of collectivism, we have a chance. If not, I guess we will have earned what we will get!
Please forgive my 'shoot from the hip' format here, typos and such are the result of not enough time.
Thank you!!!
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Posted 03/29/09
Gangofone
Grottoes, VA | Wow, almost a week and no comment. Am I not worth responding to, or does no one care enough to even read what I posted? |
Posted 03/29/09
Elysiumboy
Billericay, United Kingdom | Sometimes it's just because there's many stories with the same theme Gangofone; but your blog is fine and you are definately on the right lines. There are only two powers capable of pulling this off and both can control Wall Street! You are right about a lot of things there; the whole lot is linked to CDS and other foolish (or malicious, depending on your way of thinking) financial instruments that changed the face of the monetary system. The governments of the world are pushing us in a direction we don't want to go, but remember, there are hundreds trying to get there word out and often they will have the same thoughts as you so check the other blogs, leave comments then you can also point people in the direction of your own write about the same subject. You might know all this already, but just lending a helping hand. |
Posted 03/29/09
Gangofone
Grottoes, VA | Thanks Elysiumboy, as least I know that some are actually reading this. I would hate to think my time was of no value here.
You have an intresting point about Wall St., from my view, if all controls there were slowley and wisely eliminated, all there problems would go away. |
Posted 03/30/09
Elysiumboy
Billericay, United Kingdom | Your time is always valuable Gangofone and I don't just say that to make you feel better. Without every single one of us the whole thing is not worth it!
Wall Street is very powerful and I don't doubt they could cause a wave or two, but in my opinion, it is the observers who are in control of this. According to official figures, the CDS false valuation was $45 trillion; unofficially, I have heard it could be as much as $500 trillion, but I would like to know what the actual figure is. That's five times the world's economy!
With all this s--t going on, the last thing you want to feel is valueless, but that may have given me an idea! What about making it our purpose to open as many of these as we can - to make everyone feel they are not being ignored. We are bloggers in a battlefield, so to speak, but there is no one bumping up morale for the newcomers! I'm going to start tonight; any message will do and you'll be spreading your name at the same time; that's the key to being heard; shouting as loud as you can with your words (and your name becomes known the more it is seen), so always remember to write the blogs true to your belief. People will answer you then with their own versions, but don't ever assume it's not worth it Gangofone; one single idea from one of down here could help solve this crisis; we did it all the time during the industrial revolution. |
Posted 04/01/09
Gangofone
Grottoes, VA | Its a lonely world out here Elysiumboy!
I have not, and will not post what I don't know to be true.
There seems to be a problem with your words here.
"...any message will do and you'll be spreading your name at the same time; that's the key to being heard; shouting as loud as you can with your words (and your name becomes known the more it is seen), so always remember to write the blogs true to your belief."
I find we are almost polluted with "any message", with no objective standard to sort fact from fiction here. Even when one does prove an idea to be false and or irrational, it never seems to stop rearing its ugly head up.
If we do not gain a moral and logical foundation here, our efforts have done nothing. I believe this is a big part of why Mrs. Rand was against the Libertarian Party. When a giant like her deals with the principles behind a subject, leaving us the only logical path to follow, how can we then work with those that stand against the truth?
As an example.
If one values their life and liberty, they will find it is in their self intrest to promote the concept of INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Any form of collective rights can only be had at the expence of the rest of society. This would promote a form of gang warfare, that results in looting factions all against the rest of the individuals as they work to gain the collected spoils from the society. (All socialists are represented here.)
Following the moral path of individual liberty, no gang has the right to inflict its will on any member of society. So, you immoral bastards that call your gang "Pro-life", have no right to give a potential life rights at the expence of the actual life of a pregnant woman.
Useing this 'hot topic' example, either I don't belong here, or the Pro-life goons don't. That is, if we understand that contradictions show that at least one side is in error. It is my understanding that Pro-lifers are a base form of collectivist, and it is only their confusion that keeps them out of their rightfull home with the rest of the socialists. I'll stand beside my friend Aristotle, A is A and Non-contradiction.
Where does this leave this group and their pro-life members?
What can the cause of liberty gain from a group that has members that also advocate slavery, even if the only slaves they desire are pregnant?
It is again a pleasure to read your responce to me, thank you!!!
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Posted 04/04/09
Elysiumboy
Billericay, United Kingdom | The thing is Gangofone, I can appreciate what you're saying about truth from fiction, but we are also free to make up our own minds. I agree that things get a bit far fetched and sometimes bring alarm when not needed, but you have to understand this is about venting out our emotions as well as telling people what we see to be the truth.
However, my comment is about the overall issue, rather than individual points brought up. Don't get me wrong Gangofone, if you take a look at my messages they don't always agree. As far as I'm concerned it may only be words, but we are still in a battle against a worldwide force (be it the conspiracy theory approach or togetherness in catastrophe) and finding the way to defeat them is not to be so individual in our comments. Socialism is not my thing, but it is the thing to fight a war with. I've always seen Libertarianism as what we are and the rest are tools to be used at our disposal.
All I'm saying that it doesn't matter right now what people are saying; what matters is that people like yourself are releasing blogs that aren't getting seen.
You might be okay with it and so am I, but if I'm in a war I want the disillusioned soldiers next to me to at least hang around long enough to see the light. There are so many blogs that go unseen that people feel just like you did; as though they are being ignored. I think we need to group communicate to create better guilty with less headlines, but I'm not going to just disregard those who try, but fail because they are inexperienced or simply not even viewed.
It's no different to a team sportsman: when he is on the field he is part of a team, but when he leaves the field he is an individual again. Right here, right now, we need to be a team! |
Posted 04/07/09
Elysiumboy
Billericay, United Kingdom | I just wrote an entire reply then wiped it out by accident so I'll have to do it later, but I'm on it! |
Posted 04/08/09
Elysiumboy
Billericay, United Kingdom | Actually, Gangofone, it wouldn't (and I'm not being cocky)! I used to work for a road gang repairing those ridiculously large potholes. However, if I were to change 'road' to 'street' then the word becomes malicious. That's the biggest problem here Gangofone; modern life has taken a lot of words that already had meaning and changed them completely. Socialism is not a way of life; it's a defence mechanism for when the s--t hits the fan, so to speak. That's why they've done it in my eyes. They've created a catastrophe that will naturally bring the people closer together and when they get there they will find that it is really totalitarianism because we are not meant to all think the same; the only way to bring that about is by force.
The word gang most definitely applies in the wrong way for most democratic countries because they all have the same underlying goal and are forceful with their approach. Both the supporters who voted them in and the opposition are subjected to the same mismanagement and nothing really changes in the running of society. By this point I make you absolutely right about what you are saying here, but this is not even six months after the election so people are only just starting to realise and things will be erratic to start with. However, I can only talk by my own experiences and I played a lot of sport, especially soccer (a huge team game). When we finished playing and went back to the old Rubber-dub-dub (pub), my mates would talk from time to time about other people on the field, but for the most part, like most people, they boasted of their own involvement so individualism always rules at the end of the day.
I love the dig about Mr Jefferson, but might I add he'd be a mass murderer by now!
There are so many things I make you right on here, not least of all your explanation of the system inflation: I can't give my own example because it was already half way through when I acquired a house, but my mother purchased her council house for £13,000 in 1981. By 2001, that same property with an extension was priced at £165,000 in 2001 (approx 12.70x original price and 8.25x average yearly earnings) and it didn't stop there. This was not caused by one company conning the system (which, by the way, makes AIG the last company on this planet they should have bailed out), it was caused by pre-design and nothing Obama has done has convinced me otherwise!
Reason and logic is the whole reason this came about! Logically, these people believe we should all think the same as them, work, eat, sleep all for your friend and big brother government, but we are so much more than they make us out to be that they forget emotional traits like competitiveness, determination, spirit and the list goes on. That's why we should be libertarian by nature and socialist in times of danger; because they both natural and boil down to the situation in front of you. If a libertarian gets caught on a mountainside with other mixes, does he say s-d you mate, I'm going alone? And when he gets down off of that mountainside, does he suddenly become a socialist for needing others to survive in one instance in his life?
Totally agree with you about abortion, although I simply warn my woman of it at the beginning; if she doesn't like it she goes elsewhere.
No, it might not affect the group, but how many are each of us supposed to change; we are not in a situation where we can just say leave 'em to it because we have been and will be affected by it. None of us can fight this alone, not even Ron Paul; he still needs a majority and if he is saying what you need to hear then our main goal should always be to get him there by any means, even if it only means seeing HR1207 through to the end. That's when everyone will realise, but there is much in the way of stalling. However, I don't care if half the people voting are Muppets and don't really know what they are voting for, my goal is to see this organisation shouting as loud as it can; if that means being socialist for a while, I can handle it and make my moves when I need to. I think the way we are communicating now seems a much better way. My opinion is available to you anytime you wish for it.
Finally, I got it written and sent. Thanks for the exchange and carry on if wish.
Martin (Elysiumboy). |
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Hello my potential friends and others!
After a long talk with my employer, he suggested I check this place out.
There is a vast list of topics that can help one to know if he has found a rightfull home, as well as reasons for most. Here is my short test. With that in mind, I welcome others here to let me know if I belong, or should be kicked out?
1) No matter how much I hate the concept of abortion, I must give individual rights to an actual person over a potential one. With out this, I am stateing that some members of our society have the right to make a pregnant woman their slave! As a man, if you don't want to be partly to blame for an abortion, keep it in your pants until you and your loved one wish to have a child. As a woman, what part of "NO" don't you understand?
2) Unless there is an action by someone to cause a victim, the government has no right to force anyone in any way. The nature of the criminal action is what justifys that persons rights being taken away.
3) In a morral society, no vote or government ruleing can be made that contradicts individual liberty. So, all forms of socialism and communism are evil by nature. Democracy is best understood by thinking about 3 wolves and a sheep having a fair and open vote on lunch.
4) From before the time of the "New Deal", conservitives have been meeting socialists at some 1/2 way point, trying to balance things. When you know what is right, any blend with wrong is evil! If you wish to mix food and poison on your dinner plate, feel free to do so, just don't do it to me politically!
5) Lastly, because it is of least importance, pornography. I defend your right to buy, create and sell what you wish to deal in. It may make me sick, but you will never earn an income with me as a customer. As long as all partys are adults, dealing with their own free will, you are doing no crime. Involve a child and your property will be taken away as well as your freedom for a long time.
So, do I belong here?
Thank you, Gangofone
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Posted 03/02/09
roserty
Orem, UT | To tell you the truth, only you can decide whether you belong here or not. The members of Campaign for Liberty have a diverse set of viewpoints and debates on hot topics such as abortion and pornography are as diverse here as anywhere else. The main purpose of the Campaign is educating ourselves and others about the cause of liberty and acting on that knowledge. Do you want to understand the ideals of the founding fathers more fully? Do you want to promote and protect liberty? If so, you have come to the right place and we offer a variety of tools to help you achieve these goals. If not, no one will kick you out, but you probably won't find this site very interesting. |
Posted 03/02/09
Remember Jefferson
Pelion, SC | Welcome! I don't know all of your viewpoints, but from this post at least, you sound like you're on a liberty track of mind! We're glad you've decided to join the cause of liberty; stick around, meet people, educate yourself, and educate others! |
Posted 03/02/09
fuellbkg
Harrisonburg, VA | Hello, I am also residing in Virginia and am currently a student at James Madison University. I am also the treasurer of the JMU College Republicans and many in our our club and executive board, including myself believe that we have true conservative values that have slowly been eroded over the years. Several of us jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon and are happy that we did. We understand his call for true liberty and freedom and when we hear Dr. Paul speak we know its not just another politician pandering to his base. It's the truth, and he wants the country and the world to understand.
We actually just returned from CPAC in DC and we are proud to have brought around 20 members along with us. It was a great experience and from the looks of it I believe the GOP is finally understanding the meaning of true conservatism. I look forward to talking with everyone about our current political situation and our fight for true liberty. |
Posted 03/04/09
Gangofone
Grottoes, VA | Hi Fuellbkg, thanks for the responce!!
It seems we may have some common root values, and I hope you will help me to understand some things?
Like "Conservatism". From my view, this is a school of thought that somehow believes things were better in our grandfathers day. A longing to go back to more traditional values. Please note that it was our grandfathers that compromised with the socialists, step by step to get us in the mess we are in right now. From government regulations over the reserves in banks that caused the depression, to the 8 years of the "new deal" that prolonged the suffering and permitted the government to borrow based on future tax collection to pay for it, every step of the way you will find conservatives working for compromise. Was John McCain any diffrent?
If I have painted conservatives unfairly, please explain how?
I am one that loves my life, and knows what I need to survive. I need a government to protect my rights, not erode them in the name of altruism. At this point, it seems we have lost the intellectual war, as the conservative position just seems to be watering down the evils of socialism. Where is the home for those that know, that Capitalism is the only moral, social, political, economic system?
Is there room for the GOP to grow in my direction, or are we doomed to fail with folksy bromides that caused the greatest country there ever was, to vote for a socialist?
Please do not feel I am attacking you personally, you are probably a great person trying to do what is right.
Thank you!
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Posted 04/01/09
Gangofone
Grottoes, VA | I guess I got all the answer I needed! |
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