For Discussion: Advice to Tea Partiers

Posted by Andrew Ward on 04/28/10 3:22 PM
 
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The Cato Institute has an interesting video laying out some advice to activists in the Tea Party:

1. Republicans aren't always your friends.
2. Some tea partiers like big government.
3. Democrats aren't always your enemies.
4. Smaller government demands restraint abroad.
5. Leave social issues to the states.

Here's their video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4AdiydIDsM

What do you think?







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Posted 04/28/10 3:28 PM

LibertyMage
Baltimore, MD
I can dig it!

Posted 04/28/10 3:41 PM

ThePhantomPatriot
Forest Hill, MD
Great advice, too many people are caught in the 'left-right' paradigm.

More people need to wake up and vote on principles rather than party lines. Both Republicans and Democrats pass unconstitutional and big government legislation. NeoCons & Libs are one in the same. The only difference is that one has an 'R' behind it and the other has a 'D'. Party lines keep people fighting amongst each other, which creates a diversion from the real culprit, the government.


Posted 04/28/10 4:04 PM

Willij4lib
Monroe, WA
This two party system has only created a competition of who can spend more than the other, or gain more control than the other when the real focus should be our constitution and ensuring us a republic as stated with Liberty as the goal post and we the people asking are we there yet.

How about the “We the People” system of Governing and stop the competition with each other. Last I checked there is only one republic and one form of Liberty and those are the experienced ones.

Posted 04/28/10 4:28 PM

Adam de Angeli
Ann Arbor, MI
Not bad, but avoids handling the key issue directly. That issue being, that we must impose NEGATIVE pressure on BOTH parties and refuse to accept the "lesser of two evils." More on that at http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=573 and http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=723

Posted 04/28/10 5:08 PM

swingset
Riverbank, CA
Excellent. Many of those points are worth taking to heart, especially #5.

Leaving social issues to the states is an idea long past due. It would create a competition among the states as to which amount of government serves it people best. If Massachusetts wants universal heathcare--let them have it! Just don't force Texans to pay for it. And if Utah wants to limit or ban the sale of alcohol, they can go right ahead if it's the will of the people. Just don't expect me to move there!

The best benefit of this system of government is that, while there is pooled strength for defense against foreign threats through the federal government, there is still the opportunity for people to vote with their feet.

@Willij4lib, could you explain your "one republic" and "one form of Liberty" comment? I don't see what you're getting at. It reminds me of an activist who opposed AZ's recent immigration-check law. He said that states can't just have their individual laws, otherwise we wouldn't be one nation!

Well, we're not. We're a mosaic of free and independent states. Each state is guaranteed by our common contract (the Constitution) a right to a republican form of government. So, we have 51 republics, if you count the federal system as a republic. Or, perhaps I misunderstand your meaning?

Posted 04/28/10 5:22 PM

earlthepearl1111
San Jose, CA
"The Constitution Was Made Solely For A Moral People. When The People Cease To Be Moral, The Constituion Is Of No Effect." ~Thomas Paine, Founding Fath

Lie Down Upon Your Bed, Commune With Your Heart, 'Be Still And Know That I Am God.' ~Psalms

"I Perceive That All The Problems In The World Are Due To Mans Inability To Sit Still In A Room." ~ Blaise Pascal

Posted 04/28/10 5:35 PM

swingset
Riverbank, CA
@earlthepearl1111, I hope you are not offended by what I have to say. Making all of your sentences use title capitalization does not lend credence to your views. People who write with clarity and proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation lend authority to their viewpoint.

It's a fact of life: people judge based on appearances. (Where's that found? 1 Samuel, where Samuel is meeting David?) When you use non-standard capitalization, you appear--appear, mind you--like an inflammatory crank. I'm not saying it's true; I don't know you from Adam. But our appearances speak volumes about ourselves before we can give the whole story. If our ideas have quality, then we should speak with confidence and authority.

Having a good writing style should be point of advice #6 to Tea Partiers.

Posted 04/28/10 6:19 PM

earlthepearl1111
San Jose, CA
Swingset,

You have eyes to see, and ears to hear, but you don't have understanding. Instead of getting caught up with my grammer, etc, get some understanding. I am told Moses stuttered, but the people loved him and understood. Do you sir, understand the sign of the times ?

The American People as a whole, are not worthy of liberty. They Tolerated too much too long. We are breeding a nation of selfish,uneducated egomaniacs, most of them products of the government school system. Many of these people voted for obama and most of the members of congress who have sold our birthright down the drain.

Do you understand ?

Posted 04/28/10 7:05 PM

swingset
Riverbank, CA
earlthepearl111,

Not all would agree with me, but none are worthy of liberty--it's a gift from God. "We are endowed by our Creator with... liberty," said Jefferson. But if we are unworthy of liberty, what about life, property, or the pursuit of happiness?

Maybe Americans have tolerated too much--by which I think you mean sin. But by the mercy of God's sacrifice, Jesus Christ paid that penalty for all who accept him. God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah if Lot was able to find even ten righteous men! In America, friend, I think at least ten are covered by God's forgiveness.

If you say we have tolerated too much--to mean we have yoked ourselves with the chains of the tyrannical state, then the situation is more dire. For sin, there is mercy; for rebellion against the authority of God (setting up the state as our church, the welfare check as our idol, and politicians as our priests) there is no comfort. 1 Samuel 8 explains what happened when his people wanted to chain themselves to leviathan, and God warned them that they would cry out to get this burden of government off their shoulders. 1 Samuel 8:18 is the bottom line from God: "When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the Lord will not answer you in that day."

I pray for liberty in America to come out of God's grace, not out of some Utopian, pseudo-intellectual ideal.

Then again, what does that have to do with the use of title capitalization in regular sentences? I was speaking about presentation, cousin!

Posted 04/28/10 7:20 PM

Willij4lib
Monroe, WA
Swingest here is the best definition I know, simple to the point and not confusing at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGL8CiUtXF0

And Liberty in plain text; Freedom

Sure others have been made up others but show me their performance.
A republic is a product that is experienced by making it so like freedom is by my actions of doing so. Both can share results and measured by their successes or the limitations of their failure to achieve such a goal.

Its not the states that make such laws, it is the people in these states who are to enforce the rule of law usually with a representative such as a sheriff. The made up laws of our time are only that of out of control government in states or in our nation bought and paid for by corporatist.

swingest; your authority of language is proof conditioning has been properly applied. You must have excelled well in the education system, good boy.

Communications and understanding by the use of symbols is what is necessary. The grammarians of our universe paid for by corporatist pigs portray themselves by the mastery of words yet their results in worldly matters suck at successful economies, are totally out of control and have failed on every front.

Its not how pretty I make the words, it is the achievements I can do and show as value to you my neighbors that far exceed any word chain.

and earlthepear, you should give some more credit, worthiness comes from what you are willing to do to stand for such a valuable product as Liberty. Yes there is ignorance at large so we must work that much harder to educate.
There is very many good people in our vicinities, try getting out more. I recommend the pocket constitution as an ice breaker.

Posted 04/28/10 7:33 PM

earlthepearl1111
San Jose, CA
Dear Swingset,

God is not a 'genie in a bottle.' I really am not concerned right now with PRESENTATION, only with stating that repentance or the changing of ones mind is necessary first and foremost before the nation as a whole can be redeemed. God helps those that helps themselves. God is talking. Are you listening? Why would God redeem a nation of Government Tyranny without genuine repentance.

The Founding Fathers were moral people. They stood for something. We Stand for nothing. If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything, as the saying goes.

My people, the Lord says, perish for lack of insight.. (Knowledge)

Have a nice day ! : )

Peace Out ..

Posted 04/28/10 8:31 PM

Willij4lib
Monroe, WA
earlthepearl,

Hopefully you have a bird in your pocket when you say we stand for nothing because I am pretty sure all people on this site stand for Liberty thus Campaign for Liberty. So taking up some authority you think you may have been given to include the rest is a mistake. It is action that shows a standing not what another authorizes. It is the results that can be shown from such an action of standing in this case for Liberty to show full support for such an effort. No man has the authority to say who is worthy or unworthy nor who stands or does not stand this is solely taken up by the will of the people entirely. Otherwise we start acting like our government who has taken it upon itself to have authority over your freedoms to believe what ever you may, which by the way is also made up because they do not have this authority no matter what they think.

Posted 04/28/10 8:31 PM

deb4523
Delta Junction, AK
Do you guys really think our politicians are taking advantage of the system because 'god is punishing us'?

That is ridiculous. They're doing it because they are human and humans are easily corrupted.

You can repent all you want, but it isn't going to make Obama a better person.

Posted 04/28/10 8:49 PM

swingset
Riverbank, CA
My opinion: God isn't punishing us with corrupt politicians. I think we're facing the natural consequences of human action. Wheter those actions of the past were malevolent or merely misguided? Eh, who can say?


Posted 04/28/10 10:09 PM

BruceKoerber
Cedar Rapids, IA
States rights is the great reachable victory of the tea party movement if it can prevent the unConstitutional coup from intentionally causing confusion.

Posted 04/28/10 10:31 PM

jamesbrittlyons
East Peoria, IL
Thomas Paine did not equivocate morality with religion. Sure, they may mesh, however they are certainly not prerequisite of one another.

Posted 04/29/10 07:59 AM

Willij4lib
Monroe, WA
Fortunately God gave us some awesome abilities and I suggest using some of them to change our destructive course. This is what our framers did. They were not magic men; they were good observers with a strong will to be free. This does not take a scientist or God, it takes good observation skills, a strong will to survive as a free individual by stating it as Liberty and by putting down its path by way of a Republic should you want to keep it.

These men took risks, put their lives on the line and worked to out smart the so called smart. It was done not only for themselves but all others because they tasted freedom and they knew without waiver it was the right thing to do and by using their God given abilities they put a constitution together and said but you must keep it this way.
They were not talking to Government; they were talking directly to us who also have the same capabilities as they to held.

Imagine that.

Posted 04/29/10 08:35 AM

redshirt
Philadelphia, PA
I'm sorry to say I find this thread aggravating enough that I feel compelled to comment. To make pronouncements of who is worthy of liberty, as if Jesus didn't demonstrate unequivocally the full extent of the idea of grace is a bit offensive.

Honestly, if you think people have to be perfect before they make a change, there would be no point to life. And here we aren't talking about a change to individual perfection, but a simpler change to not taking more than one earns by not asking government for handouts and holding government officials accountable for socialist/crony capitalist/inflationary policies.

Not such a big leap and completely doable.

This isn't rocket science and it isn't religious dogma. It is simple rational economics and a bit of understanding of human action.

Posted 04/29/10 08:42 AM

Juvantei
Attleboro, MA
Swingset shut the hell up. People that complain about grammar are exceedingly unintelligent people and there is no place here for someone like you. This is a website to discuss campaign for liberty related material, not a place for you to troll someone's grammar. Linguistics is only one small part of total intelligence. If someone stumbles on grammar, then it doesn't really matter as long as you can understand what they are saying. I have a strong contempt for snots like you.

Posted 04/29/10 11:08 AM

RomanRepublic
Hicksville, NY
Many are failing to realize that concurrent to our efforts the demise of our Republic is under way. I am not trying to sound dramatic, but with Obama's Council of Governors executive order, and now Global Governance articles under my stock headlines, it cannot be denied.

Posted 04/29/10 6:55 PM

earlthepearl1111
San Jose, CA
To Those Who Are Offended By My Writing Style, As Opposed To The Points I Have Been Trying To Make, Brings To Mind My Experience With School And School Teachers, Whom By Force Attempted To Convert Me With Pressure, Subtle Or Overt. Pressuring Another To learn Is Not A Natural. If By Force, What If I Put A Gun To Your Head And Say, Take That Pencil Out of Your Left Hand And Put It Into Your Right Hand. Is This Learning naturally Or Learning By Force? This Is Not Education My Friend..Indotrination ?

How Were You Educated ? We You Forced To learn Useless Garbage In Public School By Tryant Teachers, Hell Bent On Pressuring You To Convert To Socialism, Marxism Or Even To learn Anything They Wanted Because That Is The Way They Were Taught..

The More My Teachers Pressurred Me, The More I Resisted Them..Learning By Discovery And Without Pressure Is A Better Way To Learn..Learning At Your Own Speed Is Better Than Being Pressured For Grades And Going Through Life Thinking You Can Solve All The Sickness And Disease In The World Only To Discover You Of Yourself Know And Solve Nothing..The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil. Harkening To The Spoken Word Is Not Knowledge. Real Knowledge Is Intuitive My Friend. With All Of Your Knowledge, Get Understanding..

Education Is Forgetting Everything You Have Ever Learned In School ~ Albert Einstein

Posted 04/29/10 8:58 PM

redshirt
Philadelphia, PA
RomanRepublic,

Too true.

Posted 04/30/10 3:59 PM

justinb
Oklahoma City, OK
ealthepearl1111, while I don't think your writing style takes away from it's content, I honestly always skip over your comments solely because it's distracting for me to read. I scan others and instantly read their comment because it matches the style I'm used to reading, but due to the totally different nature of yours, it makes it slow and cumbersome to read, and my lazy ass just skips on over.

Posted 05/01/10 12:53 PM

CharlotteJuett
Genoa, NE
Our founders did not incorporate religion into the Constitution because they wanted all people to have the freedom to choose, whether they are Catholic, Protestant, Jew, agnostic, or aethiest. They expected us all to MORAL, however, and to treat our fellow citizens in the light of the Golden Rule. I see no reason for religion not to be taught in our schools, as long as all viewpoints are included. In fact, much of what is wrong in our schools today is that they fail to morality and therefore raise a generation of people that feel only the "ME, FIRST" mentality.

Posted 05/02/10 12:40 PM

Slammo
Sacramento, CA
Can we please keep the contents confined within the topics presented within the original editorials?

The video I just watched here gave pragmatic advice in understanding prevailing attitudes of the two major political parties and their inherent resistance to individual rights and liberties. Some of subsequent comments address this topic. The remaining posts were nothing but criticisms of other posted comments.

Certainly people, we are above this petty bickering, which will do nothing but cloud the vision of our common goal.





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