Although I appreciate Glenn Beck having on the good Doctors. Let me remind you all that even though he is talking the talk now, Beck supports the wars and supported the banker bailouts and every other Unconstitutional thing that happened during the Bush Administration.
His agenda is clearly one of the ruling establishment. A voice of opposition to Obama while quietly claiming Republicans are no better. It is his objective to get the Republicans back in power and to keep all control centralized.
Do not rally behind this man. Just continue to watch and question all his actions. I personally don't consider him the enemy but that old saying comes to mind when I see people like him all of a sudden talking Constitution in every show when less then one year ago I don't think he knew that document even existed.
I read his Sept. 22, 2008 transcript, and yeah, you are right. He was for the bank bailout. But do you think there is a chance that in the mean time, hanging around the likes of Napolitano, Stossel, and Willard, he has seen the error of his ways? Granted, Glenn is still pro-war, and pro-interventionist, but isn't there some chance he is now more a libertarian, free market capitalist than during his CNN days? One can only hope...
Maybe we should just see Glenn Beck as a vessel to get Dr. Ron and Dr. Rand's messages out, and not focus so much on things he supports or doesn't support. At least he is giving them a chance to speak, so I'll send him a Thank You for that.
Posted 11/06/09 8:36 PM RobKenyon Fayetteville, AR
Does anyone else see stealthy propaganda? Take notice how the main concept that Fox News is trying to push is: 'Libertarian / Republican Separation.' Also notice that the only message that the Paul's are saying is constitutionally limited government and fiscal conservatism.
The powers that be will be trying everything they can to isolate the Paul's and downplay the common principles that Libertarians have with almost all Republicans. The establishment can't have an anti-war, limited government, fiscally responsible leadership wrest control of the party from it's current trajectory.
We all come to liberty in time, so give Beck time. I mean there was a good portion of his life he just wasted was able to turn around and now he is getting himself an education. I like to call Beck "Libertarianism on training wheels." I know I don't agree with him on everything but he is coming around.
Many Ron Paul supporters were apathetic before and now they are not. Apathy is one of the main causes that have gotten ourselves into this mess in the first place. Granted some had good reasons but most I would say are lame. But the apathetic take the easy way out and say "But I didn't know." and you know what we forgive, build our ranks and move on. Now I am not saying Beck is perfect but we should at least give him the benefit of the doubt too. We all live in glass houses so we all need to be careful when we start throwing stones. Remembering is good, tossing it around every time his name is bought up in the liberty movement is not good though and will only alienate the newbies that Beck is bringing to us.
Here is what I think is a proper perspective on Beck
"Other hosts continue to promise future Republican victories in the face of Obama’s plummeting popularity, but Beck continues to ask, “what’s the point?” And while it might be true that Beck doesn’t always ask the right questions, he deserves some credit for being the only guy asking any questions while the rest of the right-wing infotainment industry refuses to acknowledge any mistakes at all. Far from being the worst of conservative pundits, Beck, despite his outrageous antics, may be the only one of them who is mentally alive."
and also a a fair critique of his Book "Common Sense" by an organization that has been doing this far longer the C4L the JBS
I would also like to note that those newbies I talk about are 912ers here in Kentucky and many of them have crossed over to help and support Rand in the Senate race here. Granted they still got a ways to come but things are picking up and a lot of good things are happening here I think.
The establishment seem to be scrambling now. Rand is out raising them and he is now out polling them. There is talk of Mitch McConnell ditching SOS Trey Grayson and inserting Cathy Baily, who might be worse than Grayson is.
For: CGBS6183 'apathetic' has been there for decades in America, that is why we are in the mess we have now. However, the times are changing & conservatives organizing.
Power to the People!! The winds are changing. Ron Paul is now going to be a more acceptable candidate if his campaign can organize/raise funds.
Finally, someone has finally written a book about Americans organizing & standing up to federal tyranny & ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution. It's powerful & has all the current challenges of today in it. I'm encouraging everyone to read what other Americans are now doing!! It's a must read!
http://www.booksbyoliver.com
lindsey graham is an idiot. That is the problem with the Republican party ... the neo-cons want to run the show. I like to consider myself a Ron Paul Republican but I can't stand the neo-cons in the party. You know.. I am not going to blindly follow everything the party does that is for sure... like the McCain and Bush Crowd does. I can't stand McCain and am glad he lost... not that I love Obama by any means either... I dislike them all except Ron.
So I guess my point is that I don't see how our movement can make progress without a 3rd party. Does it do any good trying to fight the majority of the Neo-cons? I dunno... I guess it's complicated and we have to take it day by day. GO RAND!
A solid Republican ticket for 2012 would be Ron Paul for President with Rand Paul as V.P.
Posted 11/07/09 12:12 AM BruceKoerber Cedar Rapids, IA
http://divineeconomyconsulting.blogspot.com/
Friday, November 06, 2009
Liberty Is Not Concessionary.
This is very similar to the emphasis that I give in MORE THAN LAISSEZ-FAIRE. Laissez-faire is not merely a philosophical point of view to be defended or not. It is an expression that was used in the past (and up to the present) to indicate that there is no moral authority to meddle in the economy.
This is the esence of the divine economy theory although the theory itself proves unequivocally that there is no moral authority to meddle in the economy. Upon this foundation rests all of the other new and exciting discoveries!
Scott from PA.... I did'nt even think of this,,, but Dr. Ron at President, son Dr. Rand as VP,,, PERFECT!!!
Peter Schiff as Sec. of Treasury.. and the Honorable Napolitano as Attorney General of the Dept. of Justice....
My God,,, how much better could this country be?????
tb54701: Did you see this? http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=27861
Ron Paul is gaining support and John Dennis, who is running for the Republican nomination to challenge Nancy Pelosi, thinks that Ron Paul should run again in 2012.
Posted 11/07/09 01:35 AM Stephen12 Middleburg Heights, OH
There is a difference between collaboration and compromise, and in the context of the American two party system, the idea that compromise is better than competition is promoted to score points with the voting public, who want more than a win/lose argument for every situation.
In strategy, collaboration is superior to competition in that it strives for a win/win situation, as opposed to a win/loss mindset associated with a zero-sum game competition between two parties, but compromise tends to be temporal and can ultimately be classified as a lose/lose resolution, although both parties will promote it as a victory for everyone. Collaboration means a piecemeal approach, only agreeing on what is agreeable, which is a sustainable solution to adapt within a dynamic environment.
This interview brings to mind the rejection of Bob Barr last year by a lot of folks here because of his inconsistant message, a compromise if you will.
As Ron Paul has written, compromise between the two parties has brought more welfare and more warfare. By extension, a vote for the lesser of two evils is still evil.
If I decide to vote in the 2010 elections, the first thing I will do is decide if the candidate is an interventionist or not.
Collectivists can be sneaky, I'll have to work hard. If none are to my liking, then I will cast a null vote.
One of the main problems we have,is the lack of education that our citizens have of how government should work under The Constitution...How many people know that we are a Republic, and when did you last hear of patriotism being taught in schools.The last General election was a perfect example of voters not looking at the consequences of their actions...not in my wildest dreams would I have voted for a man who had so many warning signs threaded through his life and so little time actually making decisions
RobKenyon wrote,
"The powers that be will be trying everything they can to isolate the Paul's and downplay the common principles that Libertarians have with almost all Republicans. The establishment can't have an anti-war, limited government, fiscally responsible leadership wrest control of the party from it's current trajectory."
I totally agree with this assessment and you're not reading too much into it.
Along with C4L there should be some education for the voting public (it's lacking in this regard).
[THE HISTORICAL ROOTS OF PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION
The political roots of proportional representation in the United States originated in the Progressive Movement of the early 20th century. Besides such issues as child labor laws, anti-monopoly legislation, and women’s suffrage, Progressives were also interested in government reform. Many were particularly concerned about the corruption in urban governments. Large cities often were dominated by ‘party machines,’ of which Tammany Hall in New York City was the most infamous. Bribery, kickbacks, favoritism, and voting fraud were rampant in these cities. The Progressives wanted to clean up these cities and blunt the power of the party bosses.]
"IRV Soars in Twin Cities, FairVote Corrects the Pundits on Meaning of Election Night '09" www.fairVote.org
...I argue the solution is to open up the electoral process if the "Tea Party" movement want to field their candidates under their party brands they should be able to do so.
From a historical perspective it won't be the first time.
Who knows maybe this time around it could be tradition in an American electoral process to have multi party participation for votes.
Posted 11/08/09 12:16 AM TracySaboe Sioux Falls, SD
The information that the good Judge gave at the beginning regarding the Republican support for a Democrat further defines the Right-Left Paradigm. The neo-conservative ideals that have dominated the Republican philosophy showcases the fact that they would never vote for anyone that would downgrade their power. The fact that Obama has blatantly lied to us about ending the war shows that most conservatives will go to the Democrats just to gain more support for the bloodshed.
Posted 11/08/09 09:21 AM Mrs Burton Saint Joseph, IL
Re: Glenn Beck
I question Glenn's sincerity as a true Patriot. He's either just now catching the vision or is a false conservative. I suspect the later.
Keep this in mind also. FoxNews is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a CFR member. Every major media outlet is either owned by or run by CFR members. I question whether a CFR member owned organization would allow 'such talk' if there wasn't some ulterior agenda taking place.
I would agree with the majority of comments in regards to Mr. Beck on this forum. I do not feel that he is a much more than an entertainer, and the comment above in regards to Mr. Murdoch and the rest of Fox allowing "truth" in commentary is spot on. I feel that Beck's place is to grad onto the backlash and hostility that exists and channel it from "anti-Obama" to "pro-Neocon." That way, either one or two things will happen. Either President Obama will be a one termer and those disillusioned with him will vote for whatever Repub that is put forward out of disgust (which I would guess would be just another candidate who is a cover of the same Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama song)....OR the Neocons will actually put forth a Palin type of candidate which will polarize the voters into wrangling over who is more eloquent or who has traveled the world more. It is a genius plan by the existing power structure to provide the voting public with the illusion of choice. Beck plays his part well. The Pauls need to run as Libertarians.
I would agree with the majority of comments in regards to Mr. Beck on this forum. I do not feel that he is a much more than an entertainer, and the comment above in regards to Mr. Murdoch and the rest of Fox allowing "truth" in commentary is spot on. I feel that Beck's place is to grad onto the backlash and hostility that exists and channel it from "anti-Obama" to "pro-Neocon." That way, either one or two things will happen. Either President Obama will be a one termer and those disillusioned with him will vote for whatever Repub that is put forward out of disgust (which I would guess would be just another candidate who is a cover of the same Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama song)....OR the Neocons will actually put forth a Palin type of candidate which will polarize the voters into wrangling over who is more eloquent or who has traveled the world more. It is a genius plan by the existing power structure to provide the voting public with the illusion of choice. Beck plays his part well. The Pauls need to run as Libertarians.
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