Wow, I'll bet someone is taking Larry King's place tonight. Maybe not. Thanks in advance, Larry King, for having our Dr. Paul on tonight.
Posted 08/18/09 2:49 PM Capten Neil Cumberland, RI
I think Larry King would be the perfect interviewer for Ron Paul. Since Larry King lets guests explain their opinions in full on his show, he's the host but he allows the guests take the center stage. I really do hope it's not some substitute like last time.
"Barney Frank is such an a$$hat."
I know! Those sort of comments make me sick. First of all, this technically is such a policy. I'm not sure if she actually knew that -- and I don't find that poster she had to be in good taste, but one does NOT talk to his constituents like that. What the hell kind of system is this!? I don't care if it were Ron Paul saying such immature things, when a representative does that, he should be removed. You're a representative before your a member of your party. You're job isn't to "discuss healthcare with a dining room table," it's to listen to that table with respect and smile -- and then represent. Even Ron Paul has to swallow his pride and put earmarks in bills. The worst part is that he thinks he's funny.
Frank is not funny in the least. He is a whiny little man that has no place on tv much less in national politics. Every time I hear that guy spit into the microphone it's like rubbing sandpaper directly against my eardrums.
Ron Paul was fired up on the show. Good to see him with some blood pumping. I still haven't heard one logical reason for more government control of medicine. It's like those in favor of it are just shilling for the government. Whoever paid them to spout their nonsense is getting ripped off.
I think Ron needs to focus on a couple of no brainer things that would help get our system going in the right direction; mainly tort reform and tax reform, specifically suggest health care is tax deductible for all individuals and doctors should get deduction(s) for seeing the un-insured. If he got on these shows made these points clear as day. How could people argue with him? Who would disagree with these three things. The bill wouldn't even have to a thousand plus pages!
Yeah that's what's I'm thinking. Sanjay and and that other dude seemed at a loss for words and like they were there to simply to disagree with Congressman Paul. I hope Larry follows through on his word to have them all back. It's so fucking awesome to watch one our guys pwn these unintelligent pawns for the big government hacks that run our country.
Wasn't too bad. Dr.Paul did get a little flustered there or impatient. Regardless he made some very good fundamental points just about the fiscal insanity of the current programs. One part that made me chuckle was when the Sanjay dude said in so many words that freedom doesn't work and the we already tried that kinda stuff.
The issue of health care is so complicated and it literally would take time or even a large debate over an hours time to hammer these men into submission. The reason it is so complicated is because HMO's, regulation, large/mini monopolies in state insurance, monopolies in medical associations, and overall the large amount of dollars that flow to health care from government created inflation. This is why some may see us as "weak" in the debate, but none the less it was created this way to confuse us. Here are some good books on the issue:
Healthy Competition: What's holding back health care and how to free it, By: Michael F. Cannon
Crisis of Abundance: Rethinking how we pay for health care, By: Arnold Kling
To send Larry King Live a "Thank You" for having Congressman Ron Paul on the show last night, here is the address. Hosts on CNN have stated that they get lots of email when Dr. Paul is on. Let's keep it up:
Good to see Ron on Larry King and hopefully he'll be back on! Hope he does make a few more specific points next time to really help these socialists see the light!
It seems that most people in favor of increasing govt involvement in health care have confused big govt corporatism with capitalism. This misinterpretation of capitalism is overwhelmingly common in this country. To some extent this is of course just another example of the left trying exploit the ignorance of the masses but it really does seem that ignorance and confusion is genuine and just as common with their "experts". It's kind of hard to have a reasonable debate when the parties involved in it don't even understand the most elemental economic principles.
Dr.Paul would do well to continue bringing up the point that all govt programs are broke and that the weight of our current govt on the private sector is already crippling our country.
On Dr. Sungs comment regarding veterans care and how private plans have less choices and you may have to travel further to get treatment.
I have a close fried who is married to a US marine and whom is pregnant and covered under his medical plan.
She currently resides in Milford CT and under the veterans insurance must travel to Waterbury in order to receive all of her pregnancy medical care. This is approx. 30 miles and can be 45 min to an hour drive.
Is this the satisfactory system he speaks of? It has been almost a nightmare for her to deal with this.
What part of "Medicare is broke" is so hard to understand? I would LOVE to give everyone free health care, but the fact is that we live in the real world. ObamaCare might be rosy at first, but when it quickly goes broke, reality will come crashing in. And the reality is that we are trillions of dollars in debt and our dollar is sinking, our government is wasteful and corrupt and people will suffer even more. And in the meantime, the government will have put it's hands into the very personal world of your health.
Even if there were no arguments against socialized medicine itself, the very fact that we're trillions of dollars in the hole already should be enough to discourage a sane mind. Couple that with the fact that the CBO study said this plan would only increase the number of people with healthcare by 13% and cost over a trillion dollars. 13% for a trillion dollars? LOLOLOLOLL. This is a nightmare come true. Sanity and reason is just gone and it's hard to care anymore because i KNOW Obama will get what his masters want.
Posted 08/19/09 10:28 AM sweetliberty San Rafael, CA
Heata, totally!
I don't understand why the two other doctors don't acknowledge Dr. Paul when he says Medicare is broke. The one on the left just goes, "Well, people on Medicare are still getting care, so..." and the one on the right puts on a confused expressions and says, "I don't know what Dr. Paul means, I'm not sure what he's talking about."
Gentlemen, he's talking about a very simple concept called NO MORE MONEY.
Why doesn't anyone ask how the heck additional government-run health care will be paid for? It's like the elephant in the room that no one (except Ron Paul, etc) want to even address.
Are they blind to financial realities? Our government continually spending money that we don't have is a house of cards. It's not a matter of IF it will collapse, but WHEN. That is, unless we drastically change our monetary/economic policies.
Posted 08/19/09 1:16 PM BruceKoerber Cedar Rapids, IA
Education and Ethics
Wednesday, August 19, 2009
Ron Paul Speaks About Health Care Freedom On Larry King.
What about the comment that health care costs around the world are out of control and that nowhere is health care able to be made manageable.
That 'global citizen' doctor is seeing the rotten fruit of socialism and the global citizenship that he uses in his rhetoric is really a phantom of his imagination, which is also socialism.
If he had any real knowledge of the world he would understand that human beings are subjective and that classical liberalism allows humans to function as subjective individuals. Socialism, in contrast, replaces subjectivism with arbitrary control by the ego-driven.
Keep the idea of freedom and liberty flowing, Congressman Ron Paul, and keep presenting the facts that government is a complete and total failure in every instance of interventionism.
I would've liked to hear Dr. Paul get more specific when he talked about wanting more freedom in the market place. His generalization left him open for the attack about how there's little freedom with private insurance companies (which is very true). Giving specifics about laws that are keeping insurance companies from competing, thus keeping costs high would be a good one to bring up.
Sung doesn't like those terrible insurance companies making money. The old politics of envy.
Let's see; the insurance company makes a dollar (FRN). They call a meeting of the board of directors and rejoice over the dollar. Then they cut it into pieces and give each board member a piece along with some mustard so they can eat it?
Noooo. They can't eat it. So, what do they do with it? Whatever they do with it, it STAYS in the productive sector of the economy creating jobs and improving the overall standard of living of the society.
Now, instead of letting the insurance company make that dollar, let's just take it away from the productive sector of the society and give it to government bureaucrats who can take their cut and then redistribute it to those who are ill.
Someone tell me how giving money to government so bureaucrats can sit on their rear projections while dreaming up foolish rules fraught with inefficiencies and unintended consequences can be an improvement of any description.
20-40% overbilling, overtreating, etc to the tune of hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars in Medicare doesn't even seem to matter to these guys. The more I read about paper money the scarier it gets!
Posted 08/19/09 5:28 PM VictimOfFeds San Clemente, CA
Those other two guys just basically said "I don't know" for 9 minutes. Also, what's confusing about tracking medical transactions?
How do these people not understand that in a free market doctors are unable to charge $20,000 per 5 minutes of work because the average person doesn't have that much money.
They also don't understand that a doctor's education is so expensive because the education system is controlled by the GOVERNMENT!!!
There are some people that you just can't ever get through to.
Why do we hear so little discussion about the Constitutional basis of Federal government involvement in health care? I thought that Dr. Paul might raise that issue right away.
I don't understand why we're even justifying this issue with a debate until we answer that question.
It takes two doctors that are pro unconstitutional healthcare reform and Larry King framing questions to debate Ron Paul and he still wipes them out. The government is broke and their programs are broke. I just don't think handing them a healthcare "cash cow" and putting every American at risk of any future bill a good idea. Do you really think if the government was running healthcare they would do a good job at it? Is it more likely they would use it to control Americans everyday lives even more? You have all seen what has happened at the airports. Buy the way they are X-raying people at airports now. Isn’t that bad for you?
Fact: We do not have a right to health-care. We do not have a right to someone's labor. Rights are personal freedoms that should be respected, plain and simple.
Fact: Everything from education to the medical room with regards to Medicine is regulated by the government, making it THAT MUCH HARDER for physicians, doctors, medicines and equipment to enter the market and lower costs.
Fact: The government is broke. Broke means you have no savings, no capital. If you are in the negatives with respect to money, that is bad.
Fact: Doctors are not necessarily experts in Economic theory, as these two knuckleheads have shown.
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