Working Together for Liberty Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 11/06/09 Last updated 11/06/09

Hi all,

I wanted to follow up on some comments made at our C4L meeting last night. Brad Johnson, SD35 Chair, talked about working together on the issues that unite us rather than focusing on where we differ.  I could not agree more.  To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, 'Someone who agrees with us on 80% of the time is not a 20% traitor.' We need to keep this in mind in politics.

Rep Mark Buesgens gave us sage advice as well. Mark could not be more of a Liberty guy. Yesterday he was working with David Bly (DFL) 25B to protect the property rights of MN citizens. This is why Mark is such a great example of leadership. The overly partisan would never get over that he could work with a liberal; yet what Mark was doing was for our principles. It's not about left or right. It's what is right.

We are all frustrated with Washington. A couple people have focused that anger on Rep John Kline. I was pleased today that they have changed their rhetoric to be the 'Committee to Educate Rep Kline'. This is more useful. Those of you who joined us in the HF1207 effort in April will remember that we were treated courteously by Rep Kline's staff. We were encouraged to bring our issues up with Mike Osskopp so he can discuss them directly with the Congressman. John did side with us and is now a co-sponsor of 1207. The Congressman listened to us and did as we requested thanks to all of you.

We have an invitation to share our knowledge on important issues with the key person at Rep Kline's ear. We thus have the responsibility to do just that; rather than to merely get angry. We must use our persistence and not squander our passion. Nothing poisons persistence, nor dissolves determination like hopeless rhetoric. Let's remain hopeful and determined. As Rep Buesgens said, "We are the power", that will restore the Republic. It's incumbent on us to do our part to educate our Congress without giving up on our principles.

A few points about the resignation of Janet Beihoffer as CD2 Chair. The consensus last night was that Janet has done a fine job as Chair. We may have quibbled on a few issues but we owe her a debt of gratitude for her long hours and especially for her GOP Poll watcher program. Included here is her email. It would be great if she heard a note of thanks from all C4L'ers.  jtnassoc@frontiernet.net

Some folks have asked me where I come down on the two CD Chair candidates we know of so far, Bonn Clayton and Mike Lindsay. The election for Chair will be done by the CD Executive Committee on 11/12.  Both are capable people.  I'll give my two cents, but know that each of you will make your own decision.

Full disclosure, I was Judy Lindsay's campaign Mgr. for the last part of her run for HD37B rep last year. Mike has chaired the last two conventions and has been fair with and defended Ron Paul people. That's why I worked for Judy and one reason that I support Mike for CD Chair. Mike committed to me tonight that he will serve until our 3/20/2010 CD2 Convention and then face an election by the body. Our Constitution is mute on this point. So the person elected next week could argue that we the delegates would not get a say until 2011. My understanding is that's Bonn's position. Thus another reason I like Mike. I ask that those of you on the Exec Committee support Mike Lindsay too.

In Liberty,

Terry

Bay Buchanan's Article from Rep. Mark Buesgens Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 11/06/09

From: bay@teamamericapac.org
To: hwind111@aol.com
Sent: 10/12/2009 2:42:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time
Subj: Beware the Republican Establishment

Dear Friends,

This column of mine, published in Human Events on 10/6/2009 (see below), has received a great deal of attention -- as a thank you for your continued support, I wanted to make sure you received a copy . . .

10/06/2009

Beware of the Republican Establishment

by Bay Buchanan

Between the town hall meetings and the tea party rallies, millions of Americans are taking to

the streets to protest a government gone berserk. They are angry and determined to take their country back. But there are snakes in the grass intent on using this movement to return to power, not the people, but the Republican establishment. If this happens we lose everything, including our country.

To succeed, the rebellion must produce candidates with fresh faces--populists who share our outrage for the arrogance of Washington, individuals who will fight for American workers and American families. We need primaries to nominate candidates that aren't owned by party leaders, powerful special interests, nor Corporate America.

Last year, seventy-five percent of Americans believed the country was headed in the wrong direction and they threw out the bums -- Republican bums. Obama and his comrades misinterpreted the victory, believing it was all about them, and proceeded to impose a big government leftist agenda on a conservative nation. Now voters are ready to throw out this new set of bums.

Enter the Republican establishment. They sold this country out when they were in power and can't ever be trusted again. But they see an opening and are setting the stage for their own return. They are handpicking candidates -- Bush-likes and Bush-lites -- to run against conservatives in primaries. Many are retreads, all are available for purchase. Then the party elite endorses their candidate early in the primary, fills their coffers with millions from corporate PACs and special interests, pressures party regulars to get in line, and sends word to the grassroots candidates: "Drop out -- you can't win".

Their game plan: shut out the conservative populists. But if candidates running for office because of love of country are marginalized by the party elite, in favor of career politicians beholden to party leaders, we are lost -- and so is America.

Look at the Senate races. The National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC), led by Sen. John Cornyn, has already endorsed in half a dozen Republican primaries, with more to come. Solid conservatives with great credentials -- new faces, future leaders, threats to the party elite -- were already announced candidates in many of these races. But Cornyn and his cronies aren't about to let the rank and file choose the candidates -- too risky. A man of the people might slip through and too many of them could lead to government by the people.

In Florida, the NRSC endorsed Gov. Charlie Crist, an Arlen Specter Republican, who is running against a young conservative Cuban-American Marco Rubio. Rubio was a long shot but the NRSC endorsement so outraged conservatives nationwide it breathed new life into his campaign.

In Colorado, District Attorney Ken Buck, a tough prosecutor of illegal aliens, was gaining traction in his campaign for U.S. Senate. Enter John McCain. He calls Jane Norton, former Lt Governor and state chairman of his presidential bid, and convinces her to run against Buck, promising the NRSC endorsement, plenty of money, and a lock on the nomination. Le Moine Dowd, a grassroots activist, summed it up perfectly: "Do we want the NRSC deciding our candidate? Does this action by the NRSC make the primary election irrelevant? Does it make the Colorado Republican Party irrelevant?"

In Ohio, Rob Portman, a former pro-amnesty congressman and Bush trade rep, announced his bid for the U.S. Senate earlier this year. Then Tom Ganley, a conservative businessman from Cleveland infuriated by the massive uncontrolled spending of Washington, decided to run. Mortal sin, declared the party, which told this self-made successful businessman to get out of the race, that "the U.S. Senate isn't an entry level position." The NRSC endorsed Portman and are in full campaign mode. (Do these nitwits really think one of the architects of the Bush policy that sent our jobs overseas is going to win the general election in a state with 11% unemployment?)

This same scenario is being repeated in a dozen other states. The political bosses are adamant that our candidates look and talk like them -- the kind that will get in line behind them. Leaders that rise up out of the rebellion and run for office will be a problem for them. So the snakes are out to stop them.

The rebellion must start to focus on producing candidates that will do represent the American people in Washington -- then we must rally behind them and defeat the establishment candidates in the primaries. If that doesn't work, we must field candidates to run as independents in the general. The country is too important to let the establishment of either party continue to have their way with her.

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Campaign for Liberty - Meeting Minutes - November 4, 2009 Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 11/05/09

Minutes - Campaign for Liberty & RLC Meeting
Wed. November 4, 2009
Attendance - 17; Guests 3

I.Greeting - New guests: Brad Johnson, SD35 Chair; Rep Mark Buesgens HD35B
First Meeting: Emily Reese; Nathan Schmitt and friend

II. Invocation - Thank you Harold Schudlick

III. Pledge - Thanks Greg O'Connor

IV. MN GOP Health Care Coalition: Greg reported on the progress of this group of business people and health care providers. Greg represents small business on the coalition. He's preparing a white paper on Health Care. The first meeting was presided by a Dr from the Mayo Clinic. The group is looking at possible solutions to issues like health insurance. Only 3 or 4 providers are allowed to offer insurance in MN. This type of government restriction must be changed to allow greater competition and lower costs.
Don Lee suggested that the group look at what the state of MS has done on this issue.

V. Election Results: Brad Johnson reported that Conservative candidates did well in Scott County. Unfortunately the 3 Conservative candidates for school Board in ISD 196 (Dakota Cty) did not win. The closest one came within 600 votes. Mpls candidates did not fare well although Kris Broberg gained about 25%. There was a spirited discussion of the Congressional race in NY23 which appears to be a wake-up call for GOP Nat'l.

VI. Audit the Fed - HR 1207 & S604: Go to campaignforliberty.com to get the latest on this important effort. Two Senators are trying to water down the language in S604. Sign the petition and submit it to our 2 Senators.  Rep Mel Watt(D) is trying to strip HR1207.  Our job here is contact especially the Democrats on the committee to demand that the original language remain in the Bill.  You can find their names on the C4L Home page.  Contact them.

VII. Other business:

weselectthecandidates.com: Harold gave an update on the progress. He has presented at 3-CD's and about 6 BPOUs. The basic thrust of this program is to raise awareness of the importance and responsibility of the delegates to make the selection of candidates. Sign up at the site. Request the presentation at your BPOU. It's 10 minutes for liberty.

Resignation of Janet Beihoffer: The CD full committee will meet on 11/12 to select a new CD2 Chair.  Rep John Kline's choice is Mike Lindsey who has served as Deputy Chair and has treated Ron Paul people fairly at the last 2 conventions. Brad suggested that Mike would only serve until the 3/20/2010 Convention when the body will elect the new chair. Bonn Clayton, a former chair of CD2 and CD3, is also seeking the position. Those present who sit on the full committee will request that the role only be filled until the next Convention (e.g. we select the candidates). All agreed that Janet has done a good job. We thank her for her service to CD2. Janet was one of our first guest speakers.  She has done especially great work in developing the CD2 GOP poll watching campaign.

Josh Regnier and Michael Neitzel have formed a group born out of frustration over some votes taken by our Congressman, John Kline. A discussion followed about some ways
to address the concerns. They will formulate this further and meet with Rep Kline's staff.

MN CD2 Republican Liberty Caucus

VIII. Special Guest - Rep Mark Buesgens (R) District: 35B: Mark was introduced by Brad Johnson. Brad gave a challenge for all to stay involved as many of our SD35 C4L'ers have been. Speaking on the theme of delegate responsibility, Brad's goal is making sure that all elected delegates show up or at least that all positions are filled by alternates. The SD35 Chair role is the first elected position that he has held in the GOP. He sees the importance of our focus being on where we agree rather than on issues that divide.

Rep Mark Buesgens gave a stirring address about the battle that we are in for the sake of our children and grand children. This is a long term fight and one that he has led during his multiple terms in the house. Mark is one of the true heroes for Liberty in the legislature. He has a Barry Goldwater quote in his office and he has used it on the house
floor. It's in Latin but translates to, "Don't let the bastards grind you down!" Mark reminded us that we are the power of the party. Power does not reside in Washington nor in St Paul. It's right here, where free people associate and plan to re assert Liberty.

Mark's first house run was underfunded against an incumbent DFL'er who'd beaten a relative of the richest family in Scott county. It was Mark's focus on what could be done along with hard work and a passion for our principles that carried him to victory. We can't allow the specter of whom or what opposes us to prevent us from action. Our job has only started, and as one of Mark's mentors says, "A job begun is only half done."

Rep Buesgens mentioned the fight going on in the house today over eminent domain. MN was one state to up hold property rights, however one key loop hole in the law is that public service companies (e.g. Utilities) are exempt. Thus people's land can be taken by large entities with the help of government. Mark reminded us that the framers
debated whether the Declaration would read, Life, Liberty, and pursuit of happiness, or
Life, Liberty, and Property. The protection of a man's property is critical to freedom. Thank you Mark for all that you do for Liberty. We love your passionate persistence.

Norann Dillon: Norann dropped by to announce that she has filed papers to be a candidate for Senate in SD43 (Plymouth and Minnetonka). Interestingly once she filed she received a call for Sen. David Senjen explaining that there will likely be a "big name" candidate running against her for the endorsement. 'Pity the fool', as Mr T would say. They obviously don't know Norann! Her web site DillonforSenate.com will be up soon.

Respectfully submitted,

Terry McCall - CD2 Campaign for Liberty

Peter Zidek's Letter to Nathan Hansen Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 10/05/09

Most within the MN GOP are aware that Nathan Hansen, a Ron Paul Delegate to the 2008 GOP National Convention from MN CD4, made some outrageous and unfortunate comments about Joe Repya, a US Army veteran of multiple conflicts back to Vietnam.  While Joe is not a Ron Paul supporter, he was quick to attack MN GOP leadership for it's mistreatment of Dr Paul and his supporters at the 2008 MN GOP State Convention.  The Party's June 13th State Central election, choosing the current leadership vs the Liberty candidate for State GOP Chairman was the last straw for Lt Col Retired, Joe Repya.  

Joe wrote a principled rationale for his decision to leave the GOP which appeared in a local newspaper (St Paul Pioneer Press on 6/24).  http://feelingthepainyet.com/?page_id=22

Hansen then wrote a scathing attacked on Mr Repya with words not to be repeated here but are available elsewhere:  http://feelingthepainyet.com/?page_id=29

Joe came to our August 5th MN CD2 Campaign for Liberty meeting so we could hear directly from him without filters.  He feels that the MN GOP is badly disfuctional and that little has changed in Party leadership.  He gladly accepted Dr Paul's book, Revolution with our thanks.

Nathan has now felt the wrath of veterans and their families for his remarks.  The next salvo was the formation of a web site:  http://nathanhansenmustgo.info, after the new State GOP Chair Tony Sutton named Hansen to Chair the Constitution and By Laws Committee for the State Party.  Hansen had given the endorsement speech for Sutton at State Central.  This weekend Veterans groups picketed the GOP State Convention demanding censorship and or removal of Hansen'.  Part of their renewed anger was due to Mr Hansen, an attorney, suing the individuals, a veteran Joe Salmon and his wife Kris, who host the above mentioned website. 

Nathan Hansen apologized to the Veterans at the convention.  Not all were moved, and much of the last hour of the convention devolved as angry veterans and their families put forth a motion to censor Hansen.  CD2 Delegate, and husband of CD2 Chair Janet Beihoffer, put forth and amendment which praised all veterans and their families for their service but did not mention Nathan Hansen.  The Beihoffer's had just this week, been to their son's first deployment to Iraq ceremony at Fort Bragg.  The Beihoffer amendment past.  The censor did not, still leaving many Veterans and their families with a bad taste for the GOP.

A number of people have been working behind the scenes in an attempt to heal the rift between those directly hurt in this whole affair.  Peter Zidek has been very instrumental in trying to resolve this mess.  What follows is a letter that Peter sent to Nathan which started some dialog that has helped at least to start some negotiation between the offended parties.

Thank you Peter for your leadership.

"Nathan,

According to the below copy of an email I received recently from some RP and CFL veterans it seems you submitted the following to the St. Paul Newspaper.
I presume it was about Joe Repya.

If so, I think you've committed a grave and thoughtless error without checking all the facts about Joe and the reasons for his departure from the Party. Additionally by writing the piece as you did, you also subtly slammed other veterans including RP'ers and CFL'ers.

I myself am a highly decorated combat Vietnam Veteran, a Ron Paul advocate, lifelong contributing Member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, an Objectivist, and a semi-retired Theoretical Physicist that does not often volunteer the fact of my reluctant military service. In fact I was drafted, pulled out of my University studies to face the involuntary specter of killing or be killed. Is this "blood lust?"

I have always been anti-war unless it was for defense of the USA.

I, and in fact any veteran, that has actually experienced the horror of war first hand, is anti-war. I as they, would never send our kids into an insane meat grinder for dubious purposes!

Joe Repya was one of the lone few that condemned the sham proceedings of the
2008 Republican State Conventions and the unpardonable treatment of Ron Paul and his followers. In particular the semi-criminal behavior by Ron Carey and his ilk in shoving though the bogus slate of candidates for the RNC convention. Joe also has appeared at CFL meetings in Burnsville and has gradually become attuned to the Liberty movement. His conversion to our side would be very beneficial.

However, by implication, in your posted piece, anyone that has served in the military, has children or relatives in the military, must be Neocon, RINO, war mongers, communists or members of the Military industrial complex. This is patently unfair, simplistic, and in many cases untrue. By doing so, you alienate many potential traditional MN Republicans, those that have children and relatives in the military, and veterans. It will NOT convince them to our side and it clearly is not a formula of success!

Yes, I and many veterans are anti-war. However, do not condemn the military and be grateful we have them to defend us. Condemn the policies of our politicians and their irresponsible squandering of our military resources on illegal, unconstitutional, immoral wars, world hegemony, and empire maintenance.

Military personnel are bound under oath to obey orders from their superiors and to the US Constitution and are under penalty of Court Martial. Our Politicians are also bound by oath to the defense of the Constitution and yet transgress against it at very opportunity with apparent impunity.

The one elected Republican that would better fit your label as a Neocon would be Rep. John Kline. Also a retired Coronel, war monger, former member of the armed services committee, and a voter for the Republican Tarp bill despite 50 to 1 phone calls and faxes to his office not to do so.

In summary, Nathan, I think you made a tremendous faux pas, a bunch of enemies, and I don't know if you can somehow mitigate this to your benefit down the line. At the very least I think you should offer a personal apology to Joe or perhaps a retraction of sorts.

Please see a copy of the email I received below to understand why I'm writing this to you.
Your passions are certainly in the right place, but your condemnation was ill targeted to the wrong person. Uncorrected, it will no doubt come to haunt you in your future political activism.

Please fix this!

Peter R. Zidek
PhD Theoretical Physics, Mathematics, Economics"

Campaign for Liberty - Meeting Minutes - August 5, 2009 Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 09/23/09

Campaign for Liberty - Meeting Minutes - August 5, 2009

Note that this meeting also included a MN CD2 Republican Liberty Caucus meeting.

I. Greeting - Terry McCall

II. Invocation - Bill Paulson

III. Pledge - Greg O'Connor

IV. Special Guest - Lt. Col., Retired - Joe Repya - Eagan, MN

Joe gave a great explanation of his reasons for leaving the Republican Party of MN after being elected a

Delegate to 2 Republican Nat'l Conventions and running for MN GOP Chair in 2007. Joe and Deb have

together donated countless hours and 10's of thousands of dollars to the Republican Party. Joe sees a

serious abandonment of the grass roots by the Party in favor of a small group of major donors who demand

that their handpicked candidates be selected for leadership & office. Joe spoke out early about the

disgraceful mistreatment of Ron Paul supporters at the 2008 MN GOP State Convention. We first thank Joe

for his service to our country, and to our party. We wish he would stay, but understand the principled reasons

for his leaving. We wish you well Joe, in any endeavors lucky enough to find you.

V. MN CD2 Republican Liberty Caucus Meeting

A. Norann Dillion gave an impassioned speech about MNRLC being 'The Conscience of the

Republican Party'. All Liberty lovers should also be members of this August group which as a

political entity can and does endorse Liberty candidates. MNRLC stands for Individual Rights,

Limited Government, and Free Enterprise. Candidates can seek endorsement by signing the

MNRLC 'Liberty Compact'. Go to www.rlcmn.org


to sign up today!

B. Rep. Tom Emmer, candidate for Governor, and MNRLC endorsed, spoke about the need to limit

government in MN. He remembers not so long ago when '3M, Honeywell, and IBM were the top

employers ' in our state. Today the top employers are all government agencies. As a small

business owner and part time legislator he sees how 'rising taxes, increased mandates and

unnecessary regulation are killing the entrepreneurial spirit' in MN. Tom has 'never voted for a tax

increase nor taken a dime of pork barrel spending for his district'. Emmer was the first MN

legislator to offer a 10th Amendment Sovereignty bill. He is one of only 5 House members to be

honored by LEA for his Conservative voting record in 2009. www.EmmerForGovernor.com

A $500 matching gift was offered by one of our members for the first $500 donated to Emmer's run.

Contact me if you send money to the Emmer campaign and we will see that it us matched.

VI. Events

8/15 - Bill Paulson SD25 Candidate Fundraiser held in Lonsdale. http://www.billpaulsenforsenate.org/

Mike Piper 25B Candidate went to college with Ron Paul. http://mikepiper.wordpress.com/

8/28 - CD 2 Day at the State Fair

9/3 - MNforLimited Gov't - Liberty Candidate Forum - O'Gara's - St Paul - http://www.mnlg.org/

9/10 - David Carlson announced a Prayer Vigil for the Military - St John Neumann - Eagan - 7:30 PM

9/12 - Economic Reality Summit - Fargo, ND - G Edward Griffin - http://www.realityzone.com/


and http://www.freedom-force.org/

; Catherine Austin Fitts - http://solari.com/

9/22 Twin Cities Area Republicans meeting - Officers Club - 7PM

9/23 - Dr Rand Paul - US Sen Candidate - KY - Money Bomb - https://www.randpaul2010.com/

9/25 - Rep Ron Paul/Rep Michele Bachmann - FREE - 7PM - Northrop Auditorium, 84 Church Street SE,

Minneapolis, MN 55455 - Topic: Monetary Reform, Limited Government, and The Free Market
9/28 - Gubernatorial Candidates - CD2 Fund Raiser - $20 - 6PM - Bethesda Ch, 15033 Hwy 13, Prior Lk

9/30 - NEXT CD2 C4L/MNRLC MEETING - Davanni's - Savage - 7PM - Guest: Candidate Ms Pat Anderson

10/1 - Tom Emmer - Meet & Greet - Free - Brackett's Crossing ,17976 Judicial Rd, Lakeville, MN 55044

10/2 - MN Gubernatorial Forum & Hospitality Suites - 7PM - Crowne Plaza Hotel - St Paul, MN - $10

10/3 - MN GOP State Convention - 9AM - St Paul River Ctr, 175 W. Kellogg Blvd - $25 - Pre Registered

11/9 - Citizens' Council on Health Care - Freedom Dinner - Crowne Plaza Hotel, 11 E. Kellogg Blvd.,

St Paul 55101 - Author, Maria Anne Hirschmann - twila@cchonline.org; or Cheryl 763-242-5618

VII. Notes

Greg O' Connor, Chair of HD39A has been named to the MN GOP Healthcare Task Force to represent

small business owners in the Health Care debate. Greg is working on a white paper on Health Care and

has other fine works on his public policy site http://www.americhris.org/

LEA or the Legislative Evaluation Assembly has its latest (i.e. 2009) Report out. It is a great review

of the voting records of our State lawmakers. This year only one Sen. David Hann made the grade along

with 5 House members: Bruce Anderson, Mark Buesgens, Steve Drazkowski, Tom Emmer, and Ron

Shimanski. Go to www.mnlea.org

to become a member and to download their report.

Concerned that 'others' rather than elected delegates make the selection of your candidates? Go to:

Harold Shudlicks' www.weselectthecandidates.com

and let your voice be heard.

Thank you to Dan McCall and www.Libertymaniacs for donating shirts for sale as part of our MNRLC

meeting. All donations are used to support the cost of our meetings and for Liberty candidates. Please

support our sponsors!

Reminders:

9/23 - Dr Rand Paul - US Sen Candidate - KY - Money Bomb - https://www.randpaul2010.com/

9/25 - Rep Ron Paul/Rep Michele Bachmann - FREE - 7PM - Northrop Auditorium, 84 Church Street SE,

Minneapolis, MN 55455 - Topic: Monetary Reform, Limited Government, and The Free Market

9/30 - Next meeting - 7PM - Wed - September 30, 2009 - Davanni's in Savage, MN (952)440-1200

Special Guest: MN Gubernatorial Candidate Pat Anderson

Regards,

Terry McCall

Campaign for Liberty

MN CD2 Coordinator

mccallterry@yahoo.com

Thank you - Congressman John Kline - MN CD2 - HR 1207 Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 04/29/09 Last updated 04/29/09

What an honor to be among patriots.  Today we met with Mike Osskopp District Director for Rep John Kline.  We had preambled the meeting with several contacts to the Minnesota staff:  1.  Early this Saturday an email requesting a meeting on HR1207.  2.  A phone conversation with staff yesterday AM explaining that we would be bringing in petitions and several constituents in support of the bill.  3.  An email this AM to staff listing who likely would join us.  4.  An email at 12PM to Mike Osskopp with details on the bill including current co-sponsors, and that more people may spontaneously show up for our 2PM meeting.  I ended the email to the District Director with, "It would be great to hear from you today that John has signed on to HR 1207". 

12 Patriots showed up for our 1:30 PM planning meeting.  We went in to meet with Mike Osskopp at 1:55.  We all crowded into his office.  The first words out of Mike's mouth, "John has signed on as a co-sponsor to HR 1207!"  We had a good rousing discussion about the Bail out vote, the Farm Bill, and following the Constitution (Thank you Michael Nietzel for your courage!).  The meeting ended with the District Director asking us to keep him particularly informed about legislation that we feel strong about since he is with the Congressman every weekend that he is home.  Osskopp can educate the Congressman like no other.

I want to thank Mike Osskopp for his efforts, staffer Brooke Dorobiala for setting up the meeting, Rep Kline's DC staff for quickly reviewing the materials and getting it to the Congressman promply with a yes recommendation.  On our end thank you to everyone in CD2 who signed Petitions and got them to me before the meeting.  Very special thanks to Rep. John Kline for signing on and to the following men who joined in the effort today.

Tom Dippel - HD57A, Trevor Johnson - SD40,  Ayrlahn Johnson - HD40A, Francis Klinkner - SD37, Chuck Devaney - HD35, Mike Overland - CD5 (HR 1207 Coordinator), Michael Neitzel - SD38, Bryan Mork - SD35, Leon Moe - SD57, Jeff Miner - SD 35

(And, I'm sorry I know that I am missing someone)

Who said that Petitions don't mean much?  We had a stack of nearly 60 of them that we left with the Congressional staff.  Having developed a relationship with the Congressional staff doesn't hurt either.  Having done the work we earned the right to effect change.  Kudos to Marianne Stebbins our State Coordinator and to the other MN CD Coordinators for your support.  Thanks to Jesse, Debbie, Deb, and all at C4L HQ.  This is your victory too.

 PS:  We focused on 'Hard Republicans' as C4L HQ suggested for our Petitions.  These are people who have fought the battles, got elected to a party position whether State Central Delegate, local BPOU leader, or regular delegate or alternate.  These folks' names mean more to GOP elected officials than just the average person on the street.  As HQ explained 'hard Republicans' have 100 to 1 impact vs any name.

Regards,             
;       

Terry McCall

MN CD2 C4L

Coordinator

Reason Magazine blog comments on TSA incident Posted by Greg And Beaker

Posted 04/23/09

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/132731.html

3/25/09 Judge Napolitano's Freedom Watch 7 Posted by minnesotachris

Posted 03/27/09 Last updated 03/25/09

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=70514344F5D478BB

For just Ron Paul's part (part 6 of above playlist), see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yBsExFtu0

Once again, thanks to Marc Gallagher over at the Liberty Maven for making the Judge's show available on YouTube!

http://www.libertymaven.com

Is Truth Out of Style? Posted by ndillon

Posted 02/17/09 Last updated 02/10/09

"The truth is not an obstacle for someone such as me, she said,
  Because, you see, we all create our own reality."
"Truth is out of style" - MC900 Foot Jesus, 1989

Like many Americans, I've tried to maintain some new habits since the first of January.  One of my resolutions was to avoid listening to the news.  I know that sounds a rather ignorant choice, but it just makes my blood boil - and that's not healthy.  When I listen to the news, especially to elected officials, I end up shouting back at the television or radio and looking for something to throw.  I remain informed in other ways that are better for my health - and my personal possessions.

So last night was a real test when my husband turned on President Obama's press conference during supper.  The result was predictable - I was mad, early and often.  Usually I'm stirred up by the it-feels-good rhetoric, unsupported premises, and flagrant disregard for the Constitution.  There was plenty of that last night, but something else that just chilled me with its implications: ignoring the truth.

In one example, President Obama responded to the first question about having a crisis that we "would be unable to reverse":
"We saw this happen in Japan in the 1990s, where they did not act boldly and swiftly enough and, as a consequence, they suffered what was called the lost decade, where essentially, for the entire '90s, they did not see any significant economic growth."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/09/obama.conference.transcript

Really?  Japan spent trillions on infrastructure projects, taking their government spending as a percentage of GDP from about 31% to 34% in only two years (1991-1993).
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/BG1495.cfm

I keep returning to The Road to Serfdom and it's hard to believe it was written over 50 years ago.  It seems more like an astute commentary of our times, especially with a chapter on "The End of Truth."  How many people listened to that same sentence from President Obama last night and thought, "well, that does it - we can't make the same mistake as Japan!  We need this stimulus plan now!"

It's one thing to interpret facts or present only the ones that support your case, but to change them completely?  President Obama also said, "although there are some politicians who are arguing that we don't need a stimulus, there are very few economists who are making that argument" [emphasis added] AND "most economists almost unanimously recognize that ... government is an important element of introducing some additional demand into the economy." [emphasis added]

It seems he must have missed the full page Cato Institute ad signed by hundreds of economists, included some Nobel laureates.
http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdf

These are only two examples from last night that had me shaking a fireplace poker at the screen.  The Campaign for Liberty already has a tough task to education our fellow citizens about how government and monetary systems really work.  Most people are unaware of the true nature of these systems, and simply need them introduced and explained.  How much harder is it going to be if we first have to expose lies?

Hayek wrote "the most effective way of making everybody serve the single system of ends toward which the social plan is directed is to make everybody believe in those ends."  I would like to convince people to believe in certain ends, too, but I intend to get there with the truth.

Tom Woods: Meltdown (Lew Rockwell Show 2/11/09) Posted by minnesotachris

Posted 02/17/09

Here's the must-listen podcast:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/podcast/?p=episode&name=2009-02-11_099_meltdown.mp3

Or "watch" below (three parts):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2HXqAEAc-I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcQAKRieOJM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt0kKMe4O5w

NH Resolution on Secession and Martial law Posted by DrewPhillips

Posted 02/17/09

Sovereignty Resolution in NH is from Jefferson and Madison:

C4L Meeting Minutes - 2-12-09 Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 02/17/09

Minutes - CD2 - C4L Meeting - Feb 12, 2009 - 7:30 to 9:00PM
Davanni's - Co. Rd 42 & Hwy 13 - Savage, MN - Attendance 21

I. Welcome - Terry McCall - Campaign for Liberty CD2 - Welcomed: Chris Halfen; Jack Hansen; Edward Conley; Jesse Larson; Lenn Anderson; William & Cassandra Terwey; Scott Woodbury; and Ryan Bormann. Thank you all for getting involved.

II. Invocation - Terry - from Mission 2000, Mark Link, S.J.

III. Pledge - Leon Moe - Vietnam Vet - Life Member - Disabled American Veterans
• Thanks Leon for your service, and for leading us in a spirited Pledge.
• Leon presented the text to the State of Michigan House Concurrent Resolution No. 4 which affirms Michigan's sovereignty under the 10th Amendment.
• Leon led a group which met with House Minority Leader Marty Seifert and other GOP members of the MN House and Senate on the sovereignty issue on 2/11.
• Rep. Seifert will submit a Minnesota version of the Resolution based on what Leon has supplied him. [20 other states are now considering this action.]
• This is a fine example of leadership, and taking positive action by Leon Moe.
• Dr Rand Paul son of Ron Paul - Liberty Banquet - 4/25 Chaska VFW - $30

IV. Approved Minutes from Jan. 12, 2009 - All

V. Upcoming Events - Terry
• C4L Economics of Freedom Conference - 2/28/09 (http://www.mnc4L.org/). We need all Campaign for Liberty folks and Conservative minded people to attend.
o Learn Austrian Economics from one of the best - Tom Woods.
o Learn how Freedom Sells and what to say to those you are trying to teach.
o Breakouts with Butler Shaffer (Great Depression); Bill Butler on Bailouts
o Parliamentary Procedure: How to be effective at meetings & conventions
• American Majority Free Activist Training - 2/21/09 - 2PM -4PM - Club Jaeger located at 923 Washington Avenue North in Minneapolis, MN. They are also holding a full day session for all involved with campaigns and for potential candidates at the Kelly Inn, St Paul on 2/21/09. Cost: $40.
• BPOU Conventions - Go! - Check at http://www.mngop.com/localinfo.aspx; Or call your local BPOU (Basic Political Organizational Unit) Chair for the date of your convention. (12/2007 CD2 GOP BPOU Leader List attached)
• Campaign for Liberty Regional Meeting - St. Louis, MO - March 27 - 29

VI. State Central Delegate Process - Yon Cole - Thanks Yon for the review of SD37 and CD2 Constitutions. Below are some key points. Attached is Yon's ‘Plan for Victory'. Another great example of the type of talent we have on our C4L team.
• Who runs the conventions? The State Executive Committee and the Congressional District Executive Committees.
• Who decides the members of the State Executive Committee? The State Central Committee elected this year at each BPOU Convention. 37 inCD2.
• Who decides the members of the CD Executive Committees? The delegates at the CD convention. Strongly consider running for Executive Committee.
• Who can run for State Central? Anyone who shows up at the BPOU convention (i.e. you don't need to be a delegate or alternate to run).
• Know the rules; Know your supporters; Organize your supporters.
• Run C4L candidates with the best chance of winning. One for each SC slot.
• Each BPOU will elect several State Central Delegates (e.g. SD37 gets 5)
• Terry can help you with the names of C4L folks and GOP Delegates & Alternates to call and request their support before your BPOU Convention.
• Strongly consider running for State Central, for BPOU Committee, or for CD2 Executive Committee. C4L can help you with what you'll need to know

VII. BPOU and CD Leadership Planning - Bill Paulsen - Thanks Bill for leading the discussion and for sending your helpful summary. We all must take action on this.
• Key positions: BPOU chair; State Central Delegates; CD chair and vice chair
• Key points:
o BPOUs are subunits of the Congressional District. Usually they are usually based on state Senate Districts or counties.
o Be organized in your BPOU. Know who the Ron Paul supporters are. Know who is a delegate to the BPOU convention.
o Terry has lists of Ron Paul supporters across CD 2.
o Organize a slate-list of people to run for positions. Get buy-in from the liberty supporters for the slate. Run no more than 1-C4L'er per position.
o Get the delegates to the BPOU convention. Call and email them ahead,
o The time and location of the BPOU convention is at www.mngop.com. Also the BPOU must send out a 'call' 30 days before the convention.
o The call is a letter that explains when and where the convention will be held. It will also list what business the convention will discuss.
o Get a copy of the BPOU constitution. Volunteer to be on the BPOU convention rules committee.
o Find out if candidates will need to appear before a nominating or candidate search committee. This is a screening ‘in' not ‘out' process.

VIII. MN Republican Liberty Caucus - Wendy Alfveby - Thanks Wendy. Good job.
• Endorsing arm of the Ron Paul campaign. http://www.rlc.org/about/chapters/mn/
• Join and attend the 10am meeting 2/28/09 at The Economics of Freedom Conf.

IX. MinnesotaBudgetSolutions - 2/25 - 7:30PM Fairview Ridges - Burnsville
• Need volunteer to lead; make calls; all attend; Check out their cool site, http://minnesotabudgetsolutions.com/; C4L is working closely with this group.

X. Next Meeting - Thursday - March 19 - 7:30PM - 9PM - Davanni's - Savage, MN

On Partisanship Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 01/13/09

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This just in from Leon Moe and DownsizeDC.org.  It speaks to why it is so difficult to win over hard corps partisans.  Thanks Leon.

Quote of the Day:

"We did not see (as a result of brain scans of partisan loyalists) any increased activation of the parts of the brain normally engaged during reasoning. What we saw instead was a network of emotion circuits lighting up, including circuits hypothesized to be involved in regulating emotion, and circuits known to be involved in resolving conflicts. None of the circuits involved in conscious reasoning were particularly engaged. Essentially, it appears as if partisans twirl the cognitive kaleidoscope until they get the conclusions they want, and then they get massively reinforced for it, with the elimination of negative emotional states and activation of positive ones . . . The result is that partisan beliefs are calcified, and the person can learn very little from new data."

-- Drew Westen, Director of Clinical Psychology at Emory University

C4L Meeting Minutes - 1-8-09 Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 01/13/09

Minutes

C4L Meeting – Jan 8, 2009 – 7:30 to 9:00PM

Davanni's - Co. Rd 42 & Hwy 13 - Savage, MN

I.          Welcome  -   Terry McCall - Campaign for Liberty CD2

·        Our Principles           Our Mission             
Calling the GOP Back to Its Roots

·        Get involved at your BPOU (Basic Political Organizational Unit)

·        Contact your BPOU leader;  Attend meetings; Run for a board position

·        Run for a BPOU State Central Delegate position; They elect the Party Chair

·        Check out MN Conservative Counties Movement:  http://mnccm.org/joomla/  They meet each 3^rd Tuesday in Hutchinson, MN

II.         Invocation - Harold Shudlick (Former Chaplain – VA Hospital)

·        Thanks Harold for your prayer and for your ‘Opinion Piece’

·        Harold is also a former candidate for U.S. Senate in Minnesota

III.   Pledge  -  Greg O’Connor (U.S. Marine Corps – retired)

·        Thanks Greg for the focus on the “Republic”, and thanks for your service

·        Check out Greg’s blog at www.AMERICHRIS.org/blog

IV.  MN C4L Update    -   Marianne Stebbins - MN C4L Coordinator

·        Thank you Marianne for your leadership

·        Campaign for Liberty site:  www.campaignforliberty.com; play & blog there

·        Economics of Freedom Seminar - Feb 28, 2009;  with the MN Free Market Institute;  will have key notes and breakouts;  Austrian http://www.mises.org; Learn in order to educate the electorate; invite politicians; sponsors - Terry

·        GOP State Chair Poll:  1. Marianne;  2. Rod Grams  3.  Terry

V.   GOP Leadership Planning

·        BPOU Conventions; Get dates from BPOU Chair; Get behind a C4L person for  State Central Delegate; run for a BPOU office (Chair, Vice Chair; Sec.)

·        CD2 Convention – Date set for May, 16, 2009

·        State Central – June 13, 2009 – Election of State Party Officers

VI.   Special Presentation – Judy Lindsay – HD37B

·        Thank you Judy and to Michael for your courageous run this past year

·        Your fairness and leadership make you both, friends of the Liberty minded

·        Thank you to Peter Zidek, Bryan Dresselhaus, and Susan Klang, and all of the Liberty folks from multiple CD’s who worked on Judy’s campaign

·        As campaign manager in the late stages, I am so thankful for the hard work of so many especially Maggie and Brooke & kids from John Kline’s campaign

·        We need people of character and conviction like Judy Lindsay in office

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VII.  Guest            -   Janet Beihoffer - CD2 Chairwoman

·        Thank you Janet for taking the time to share your thoughts about CD2

·        Janet’s background: 20 years in sales at IBM; Masters in Accounting; currently a College Professor; Check her blog: http://www.scsuscholars.com/

·        Janet has been active in the GOP since 2004;  She developed a strong Poll Watcher program which she presented at the State Convention (Ask me about my experiences as a poll watcher – we need this program.  Think ACORN!)

·        CD2 is having a working session this Saturday to develop a 22 month plan focusing on 6 to 8 topics designed to regain seats lost in CD2 and more.  It’s designed for BPOU leaders, and will include McCain and Coleman staff, new candidates, current State Senate staff, and staffer from Marty Siefert’s office.  Two from the Ron Paul campaign, Terry and Bill Paulson were also invited.

·        State Central delegates in CD2 are elected at BPOU convention this year

 VIII.  Other Business/News

·        The Sizzle of Economic Freedom: How Economic Freedom Helps You and Why You Should Demand More, by Lawrence J. McQuillan and Robert P Murphy will be attached with the minutes.  Austrian economics = prosperity.

·        Bet you did not know we have our own nuclear physicist in the group?  Peter Zidek will be working at the CERN Particle Accelerator in an effort to get it going after some start up issues.  Good luck Peter.  No back holes, please!

·        6 strange bedfellows of public policy (4 Left; 2 Right) will come together to discuss “Governments Proper Role in the Currently Troubled Economy”, hosted by the Humpfrey Center – 1/28/09, 4-5:30PM.  Friends of Liberty, Pat Anderson (MN Free Market Institute) and Mitch Pearlstein (Center of the American Experiment) will defend our side.  Be there to defend them:   http://www.mnfmi.org/images/pdfs/brandlinvitation.pdf  Thanks to Bill Jungbauer for the heads up.  Check Bill: http://jungbauer2010.blogspot.com/

·        Meeting attendance:  22

·        Next Meeting:  Thursday, February 12, 2009; 7:30 – 9:00PM

Divanni’s, Co. Rd 42 & Hwy 13 - Savage, MN

Submitted 1/9/209 – Terry McCall

"The Obsolete Man" Posted by Matt Hawes

Posted 01/03/09 Last updated 12/31/08

One of my favorite New Years traditions is to catch a few hours of a Twilight Zone marathon.  Writer Rod Serling was one of the first to grasp the full potential of television, and he took advantage of the medium to present deep truths to his audience while entertaining them at the same time.

High on the list of my all-time favorite episodes is "The Obsolete Man."

Airing in 1961, it depicted a world where the state is in absolute control over its citizens, branding anyone it deems unnecessary to the overall function of the state as "obsolete," and executing them on live television.  To help prevent people from thinking on their own, books are banned.  The main character, played by the late, great Burgess Meredith, happens to be a librarian, so you can derive from there what the episode's version of the state thinks of him.

As Meredith's character is set to be executed, a showdown ensues between him and "the Chancellor" as to the worth and diginity of man against an all-encompassing state.

"The Obsolete Man" also features one of the best ending commentaries by Serling, but as it gives away a bit of the story for those who have not yet seen this episode, I'll leave it for you to enjoy.

Check it out at CBS.com here.

Ron Paul with Scott Horton 11/21/08 Posted by minnesotachris

Posted 01/03/09

YouTubes for Ron Paul's interview by Scott Horton:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpOUYQdzy7M
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqxQKFEqNM
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4YVDbMtiA

Dan Mitchell De-Bunking Keynes Posted by Jesse Benton

Posted 01/03/09

Our friend Dan Mitchell debunks a Keynesian myth that big government, spending borrowed money, can "stimulate" the economy.

Note the MN Liberty Newswire -----> Posted by mstebbins

Posted 01/03/09 Last updated 01/10/09

I add news items of interest daily from local sources, so check them out, comment and discuss. If you have a news story you think should be added, send me the link.

------> -------> ------> ------->

~ Marianne

Overcoming the Partisan Egos; Freedom Fighters Unite! Posted by thepoliticalsage

Posted 01/03/09

WE the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I have become a Ron Paul fan, and more so a fan of the revolution. I have always been a strong and rather opinionated Republican, however, recent ly I have experienced an internal transformation  of sorts. I now see the political landscape much differently. I am truly concerned for the Republic; America. Our Founding Fathers are probably rolling in their graves, to see these Big bankers and Criminal  Elites hijack this once Free Nation.

Ron Paul was right all along. I realize this FULLY now. And I am comitted to perserving & restoring this Republic. The Constitution is our legal defense and our guiding light. We have all of America's history on our side. Right will eventually prevail, but WE THE PEOPLE must be the ones who make that happen.

I seek others of like mind and similar passion. There are growing numbers of Americans who are ready to abandon the old paradigms of Right & Left/Red & Blue Political mentalities. We need our American mentality to take charge of our political egos now. It is just too risky now to NOT evolve from our old political egos & 'hang-ups'. The Constitution & all of our Rights depend on people like us RIGHT NOW...more than ever.

I hope I can be the change I wish to see in the World....since truly, that is all I, alone can do

Action Item - Straw Poll for RNC Candidates Posted by Terry McCall

Posted 12/30/08 Last updated 12/30/08

RE:  Action – RNC Chair Straw Poll

Below is my response to ‘MichiganDelegate’ (whose response follows mine) who was asked by his state chair, Anuzis, to go to thenextright.com and vote for him.  Anuzis was the Michigan GOP Chairman who tried to ban Ron Paul from the debates as did Michael Steele.  Both of these chumps are running for RNC Chair.  Mike Duncan is the current RNC Chair also running.  He was installed by Karl Rove and did nothing to stop the mistreatment of Ron Paul and was likely complicit in efforts to derail the Ron Paul campaign.

By the way Chip Saltsman, also listed, was a key player in the Huckabee campaign.  He is catching heat for sending out a clip of the “Barack the Magic Negro” parody played by Rush Limbaugh.  The Left and big media are up in arms about this move.  What they don’t address is that the piece was taken from an LA Times article written by a black leftist and using that exact derogatory term to describe Obama.  Only the left can insult the left, and then blame the right.

My suggestion is that you go to the site below and cast your ballot against these three clowns, Anuzis, Duncan, and Steele.  I frankly don’t know who Katon Dawson is.  He’s also on the list. With leaders like these in place it would be a long time before freedom comes back to the GOP.  Perhaps they should add a real leader like Ron Paul to the RNC Chairman straw poll list!

Terry

THE Next Right post - http://www.thenextright.com/is-saul-anuzis-acceptable-as-rnc-chair

Vote at the bottom:  http://www.thenextright.com/

Anuzis Is The Problem new

Submitted by ReaganMan on Sat, 12/27/2008 - 19:38.

It's very sweet that you should vote for your chair at his request but open your eyes.  Saul and his friendly neocons are what have destroyed our party.  I've been a long time conservative Republican activist.  What your chair did and what weak kneed clones like him around the county did during this cycle was despicable.

States like New Hampshire, Nevada, Texas, and Minnesota caved in to the McCain bots and we have hell to pay now.  It started with a lack of leadership at the top of the State Parties.  They should have told the RNC and McCain campaign to go to hell.  Why was it that the McCain campaign was out of money in December of 2007 and broke his own stupid McCain-Feingold law.  Suddenly he was back.  Propped up by brain dead chairs like yours.  Follow the money.  When it came in the state chairs threw the grass roots under the bus and did whatever the neocons like Rove and the McCain folks wanted.

It took me decades of working for the party to have the honor of representing my state at the GOP National Convention in St Paul.  Things I saw there sickened me.  McCain campaign henchmen almost out numbered delegates on the floor (Against any know Robert’s Rules).  They literally motioned to the crowd when to cheer like human applause signs.  I spoke to many Ron Paul delegates and for my money they were the youngest and brightest of the bunch.  They were abused by knot heads like your chair all along the process and yet they were the one’s who acted like real freedom loving Americans.  They were even disrespected at the convention and it pissed me off.

I’m an old hockey player.  No great talent; I was the enforcer who stepped up when our smaller guys were getting abused.  I’m in my 60’s now so long past being a threat to anybody, but the habits remain.  At one point I saw a group of burly McCain bots pushing around the Ron Paul delegates who were getting a picture taken together outside the hall.  The Paul people were elected Delegates and Alternates, not demonstrating, but getting a picture taken for God’s sakes and the McCain campaign saw it as their duty to mess with them.  I blew my cork and got in the face of the biggest McCain bot I could find.  I said. “What the hell are you doing? These people are having a picture taken. Why are you doing this?”   He half passed me off as he spoke into his mouth piece and listened to directions on his ear piece.  His answer, “We’ve got an election to win!”  

Well great.  How did that work out for us?  Leadership like your chair allowed this kind of crap to go on at the state level country wide.  Promote Saul or people like him?  No!!!  Kick their asses out!  It's people like the Ron Paul supporters who will bring this party back not hacks like Anuzis, Duncan, or Steele.

I was asked to vote here

Submitted by MichiganDelegate on Sat, 12/27/2008 - 16:12.

I was asked to vote here by Saul. I guess that makes sense a state chair asking his delegates to help him out. I'm torn here however.

I'm reading the comments here and frankly what "RedMango" faults Saul for is what made him effective as a state chair. Michigan is a democratic state, with Republican pockets. Keeping the troops focused, pushing the party issues, is what Saul did, and what Saul was good at. He was an effective state party chair. Michigan is a loser for the Republicans anyway you cut it, so Saul did his best to hold ground. There is a reason McCain didn't campaign here.

That much being said, I'm not sure a good party chair is what we need, now, in national leadership. Values and vision should matter here, not keeping the troops in line. I'm no Ron Paul supporter, but what "John Galt" said was accurate, Saul did try to get Mr. Paul banned from the debate. The state RNC office literally had the switchboard shut down due to the negative feedback that resulted from the foopah. This alienated a significant number of young people against the Michigan state party. We, as a party, should tolerate dissent within our ranks; it only makes us stronger.

The Republicans at the National level have their backs against the wall. We are highly outnumbered by the Dems. We need vision and people willing to take a risk, not people that follow the party line. I don't have an answer here as to who this person might be, but the RNC needs a "General Lee" to lead it, not a McClellan. Organization only means so much, we have to take bold chances if we ever expect to take the moral highground in america again.